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Speer was also ... ( 5 months ago by Kalesky)
Speer was also minister of arms production. Many of those weapons were made in concentration camps...
that's no wonder... ( 5 months ago by XraYSoLo)
that's no wonder...
Worst war criminals ... ( 5 months ago by Filmmaniac03)
Worst war criminals in history? WRONG! That label should be placed on the allies, who by allowing themselves to be duped by their Jewish dominated media decided to destroy the Third Reich, which in reality was the last true vanguard for Western civilization altogether. Now, everything that the West created is slowly but inexorably being erased by the dark, embittered hordes of non-Whites from all across the globe...
Wow, you're moron. ... ( 5 months ago by atheistsim)
Wow, you're moron. I'm gonna hope that was tongue in cheek, but somehow, I doubt it. Fuckwits like you are what's wrong with the world.
Lol, I like you're ... ( 5 months ago by Filmmaniac03)
Lol, I like you're debating style -- don't try to reason, just use poorly chosen language and ad hominen attacks! YEAH! That's REALLY convincing [sarcasm intended]!
You're the moron, fuckbrain [I can throw insults too]! Why don't you try to debate on an intellectual level. Explain to me how the Allies are less deserving of blame than the Nazis? What are Dresden? What about the rise of Marxist egalitarianism and the ongoing degradation of the entire Western wo
rld?
Right well, I don't ... ( 5 months ago by atheistsim)
Right well, I don't normally like to debate with the worst of the worst, and holocaust-denying Marxism hating "western civilisation collapsing" loons usually rate pretty low on my list of nice people. But, here we go. The onus is actually initially on you to prove that 1) The Third Reich was a vanguard of so-called "western civlisation". 2) That only non-whites can be part of western civlisation. 3) That non-whites are somehow "degraded civilisation".
Sorry, typo. That ... ( 5 months ago by atheistsim)
Sorry, typo. That should read "degrading",not "degraded". Anyhoo, 4) That the Jews control the world's media. 5) That the crimes of the allies (which there certainly were) were equal to the systematic attempt at genocide of several groups of people, including the Jews, Roma, slavs, as well as widespread attacks on homosexuals and communists that we perpetrated by the Nazi government.
Alright shit for ... ( 5 months ago by Filmmaniac03)
Alright shit for brains, here's a special tip that might help you: just because something isn't in line with what your TV screen has told you your entire life doesn't mean it's 'loony'. It's unpopular, certainly, but many things recognized as truths today were regarded as such at one point. Next, please refrain from making unfounded assumptions -- I never identified myself as a so-called 'Holocaust denier', so don't assume that I am.
You're right, I'm ... ( 5 months ago by atheistsim)
You're right, I'm so sorry. I just usually equate rabid anti-Semites with holocaust denial. Anyway, you haven't answered any of my questions.
I don't deny that ... ( 5 months ago by Filmmaniac03)
I don't deny that Jews were killed, just as I also maintain that Germans, English, and other groups were likewise the victims of genocidal acts too. Just because they weren't killed in the same exact manner has NOTHING to do with the designation of genocide. Anyhow, as for your points: (1) In order to understand the nature of the Third Reich, it might be helpful to actually read Mein Kampf. Here Hitler states his basic goals and political philosophy in sufficient detail.
Well, having read ... ( 5 months ago by atheistsim)
Well, having read Mein Kampf, I can't say I found it to be a particularly enlightening read. He just regurgitates the same old anti-Semitic lies about Jews controlling the world and western civilisation being on the brink of collapse. If anything, it's the rant of poorly educated mad man, not a profound political treatise. I think "Table talk" actually gives a much better image of what the Third Reich intended to do.
In the book, he ... ( 5 months ago by Filmmaniac03)
In the book, he states these as his main goals: (1) the unification of all German-speaking peoples into a single national community, (2) collaboration with England in the interests of preserving the current status of the West, and (3) the elimination of destructive Marxism, which if left unchecked will inevitably bring about the ultimate downfall of Western man for good. He NEVER states that he wants to "eradicate the Jews" in MK, just eradicate communism.
Well, that's a ... ( 5 months ago by atheistsim)
Well, that's a whole debate in and of itself, functionalism vs. intentionalism, and one which I'm not really interested in. You STILL haven't answered my questions.
Obviously, once the ... ( 5 months ago by Filmmaniac03)
Obviously, once the War broke out, the hostilities that took place were the result of desperation. They weren't planned from the beginning, even though the Western media likes to think that way. Now, as for the Third Reich a vanguard for the West, that's easy to see given Hitler's objectives. Communism, with its agenda of radical egalitarianism and war against natural differences, is absolutely a threat to Western survival.
Well, I completely ... ( 5 months ago by atheistsim)
Well, I completely disagree with you. I am positive Hitler planned the genocide all along. But that is irrelevant. Define what "Western civilisation" is, and then how Hitler tried to save it. Why is radical egalitarianism opposed to western civilisation?
Lol, you're typical ... ( 5 months ago by Filmmaniac03)
Lol, you're typical of most people in your camp: you're "positive" that you're right, even though the evidence doesn't support your idea. How do you reconcile your certainty with the fact that Hitler himself NEVER states that the 'genocide' of Jews was 'planned all along'? I don't think it's irrelevant in the larger sense, although it doesn't answer you question exactly...
In a very broad ... ( 5 months ago by Filmmaniac03)
In a very broad sense, Western civilization is the totality of achievements of the Western peoples, who are quite varied in their own right. However, Western civilization, just like 'East Asian civilization' or 'Islamic civilization', is of course an inherently nebulous concept that can never really satisfactorily defined in pure words alone. However, it is possible to POINT to certain things, such as ideas or artifacts, that seem to capture the essence of what the West really is.
Aside from, you ... ( 5 months ago by atheistsim)
Aside from, you know, the pogroms, Kristallnacht, etc. Just because people don't implicitly say something, doesn't mean it isn't their intention. And how is killing Jews the act of a dseperate country? It would have made more sense to make them work, but no, they just gassed them all. I actually don't have the will power to argue with people like you. You HAVEN'T answered ANY of my questions.
And you know what, ... ( 5 months ago by atheistsim)
And you know what, I'd say democracy was a pretty critical one, and Hitler didn't respect that. Belief in the rule of law - yeah, out the window again. Religious freedom - none of that. Respect for art - only the classical stuff, he hated contemporary. If your perception of western civilisation is "blut und boden", then, perhaps. But for me, culture is more than just heavily pregnant gretchens and germanic neo-paganism.
Hitler and the ... ( 5 months ago by Filmmaniac03)
Hitler and the Third Reich tried to save the West because they sought to combat all of the degenerative spiritual and political forces that were threatening to undermine the long-term health and condition of the West altogether. This is seen in part by Hitler's campaign against so-called 'Modern Art' and the frightening consequences that this movement had for the modern world. Why is egalitarianism opposed to Western civilization? That'll require more space...
Egalitarianism is ... ( 5 months ago by Filmmaniac03)
Egalitarianism is dangerous for the West fundamentally because it DENIES REALITY in favor of fantasy. Anytime a nation, or even a larger civilization in the case of the West, tries to build itself around a fantasy notion that is severely out of touch with reality, this can NEVER be healthy. It's exactly why the communists could never successfully solve the economic problems of USSR. They were basing their entire policy around FANTASY. That never works.
Uhha. Actually... ... ( 5 months ago by atheistsim)
Uhha. Actually...can't...be...arsed. Conversation has gotten pretty boring really. You're the evident minority opinion here. Aside from the neo-Nazi fringe, noone agrees with you (except perhaps the Islamists). Are Scientologists right? No, they're not. And I'm damn sure you aren't either. Some ideas ARE in the minority because they're just...well, wrong. So, there you go. Bon voyage, my little aryanphile. Please, for the love of the universe, don't kill anyone.
Furthermore, the ... ( 5 months ago by Filmmaniac03)
Furthermore, the West prospered because it recognized the principle of DIFFERENCE in the natural world and then adjusted itself accordingly. Difference is, after all, one of the most fundamental properties of reality. Now that the West has abandoned the sane notion in favor of denying everything that doesn't fit into its pre-established worldview of egalitarianism, it is literally allowing itself to be conquered from within.
Democracy has not ... ( 5 months ago by Filmmaniac03)
Democracy has not been the dominant political system in the West by ANY stretch of the imagination. What do you call the systems in place during the Middles Ages, are these 'democracies'? Rule of law -- well, German society was a lot more smooth-functioning than what we have in the US today. Compare Berlin in the Third Reich to modern Los Angeles! If you think that Nazi culture was somehow about pregnancy and neo-paganism, all I can say is you have a LOT of reading to do...



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