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Ken Wilber - Spirituality and the 3 Strands of Deep Science



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The three strands of deep science
—injunction, apprehension, confirmation—give us a reliable methodology for learning about both the world without and the world within. Want to know what the moons of Jupiter look like? Look through a telescope. Want to know what satori is? Sit down and count your breaths. While you're at it, hav
e a couple friends do the same thing, and then compare notes. After all, if your experience of satori involves becoming one with a jelly donut, you, um, might want to see if that happened to anyone else....


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i gave it a closer ... ( 4 months ago by ooglebydoogleby)
i gave it a closer examination and i must admit i still find the sertion that you can aply the three strands to a subjective experience such as the budda head as questionable. i have no problem with the idea of a comunity of the qualified but with the other scientific asertions the comunity of the qualified are able to go on and expose discovery to the comunity of the unqualified. i dont think he adresses this isue so ile have to reserve judgement.
i gave it a closer ... ( 4 months ago by ooglebydoogleby)
i gave it a closer examination and i must admit i still find the sertion that you can aply the three strands to a subjective experience such as the budda head as questionable. i have no problem with the idea of a comunity of the qualified but with the other scientific asertions the comunity of the qualified are able to go on and expose discovery to the comunity of the unqualified. i dont think he adresses this isue so ile have to reserve judgement.
...that if one does ... ( 4 months ago by ddj333)
...that if one does a certain 'method of practice' then one will have a certain experience. I have experienced some of those states, so I accept how he claims one can get there. It might be like your connection standing by the sea. You had the experience but I might not believe it until I, too, stand before the grandeur of the sea. I have to take up the injunction, get the data, and confirm it with you.
I understand your ... ( 4 months ago by ddj333)
I understand your reservations. He speaks of "broad" and "narrow" science, and that both are generally accepted methods. Phenomonology and psychology are broad in that they are scienes of the interior. The findings there are harder to prove because they involve direct experience by an individual rather than external imperial data. I tend to accept it IF the experience can be duplicated in multiple individuals - then it is 'falsifiable. Wilber claims...
i made a film of ... ( 4 months ago by ooglebydoogleby)
i made a film of standing by the sea which imperfect aproximates the experience or at least provides some coroberative data. human experience is subjective and an asertion of a state being coroberated by hearsay without verifiable evidence of any kind is as much use as a claim in a afterlife, god, santa, etc. thier may be a state of altered concousness but something so unquantifiable is dificult even to varify as a commonly experienced state. is what i mean by love what you mean by love?
Yes, I agree it is ... ( 4 months ago by ddj333)
Yes, I agree it is difficult. I don't know if we mean (experience) the same thing, but does that mean it is rubbish? Is it non existent because we experience it differently or because one of us might not experience it at all? Perhaps with enough practice we could varify each others experience of something and validate it. Maybe even validate it with a whole community of the adequate. Would validating it with numerous individuals make it 'real' or 'fact'? How many would it take?
its not how many. ... ( 4 months ago by ooglebydoogleby)
its not how many. its can it be reasonably demonstrated. i have personal experience of people asserting experiences which could not have occured. this does not mean that all experiences need objective validation just objective knowledge. because someone experiences something internally does it objectivly exist? thier are conditions where by no matter how much the sufferer eats they still feel hungry. this means the feeling of hunger is false though for them it feels real.
its not how many. ... ( 4 months ago by ooglebydoogleby)
its not how many. its can it be reasonably demonstrated. i have personal experience of people asserting experiences which could not have occured. this does not mean that all experiences need objective validation just objective knowledge. because someone experiences something internally does it objectivly exist? thier are conditions where by no matter how much the sufferer eats they still feel hungry. this means the feeling of hunger is false though for them it feels real.
not how many how ... ( 4 months ago by ooglebydoogleby)
not how many how objectivly. ilnesses exist which create all sorts of false experiences but for the sufferer the feelings are real. what he claims may be true but i think his evidence is subjective and if i acsept it, it would be no different to acsepting that because children all believe in santa and can acuratly agrea on details of the santa experience, santa exists. his community of the adequate is argumentum numerum. its not true because lots of people believe it.
not how many how ... ( 4 months ago by ooglebydoogleby)
not how many how objectivly. ilnesses exist which create all sorts of false experiences but for the sufferer the feelings are real. what he claims may be true but i think his evidence is subjective and if i acsept it, it would be no different to acsepting that because children all believe in santa and can acuratly agrea on details of the santa experience, santa exists. his community of the adequate is argumentum numerum. its not true because lots of people believe it.
See me nude in the ... ( 3 months ago by jeepapab278)
See me nude in the pool
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this guy uses a lot ... ( 2 months ago by originalwizbang)
this guy uses a lot of words to say nothing....a new 'system' consisting of nothing but new terminology for old systems...
I was a little dissapointed.
No, he's using new ... ( 2 months ago by reflectionist)
No, he's using new terminology to explain how the old systems can be applied to the new ones.
the new is the old ... ( 2 months ago by originalwizbang)
the new is the old dressed in new clothes (terminology) but like the Emperor, seems to be naked. Your response.. nonsensical, terminolgy is applied to systems,old terminolgy can be applied to a 'new'(so-called) system, but the old 'system' is not applied to the new 'system', perhaps you meant he is using new terminology to describe his 'system' in terms of the 'old'? This is a comparison but that they can be compared means they are implicitly the same, does it not?
the new term firms ... ( 2 months ago by easonrevant)
the new term firms where implicit wares dare sense firminology. Systems impair his terms of old. That means they are inexplicably different, or bold.
If he doesn't know ... ( 2 months ago by Arati303)
If he doesn't know God.. then how is he the expert? Sounds like another impersonalist trying to make money.
Still seems to ... ( 2 months ago by originalwizbang)
Still seems to throw a lot of verbiage out there with no clear coherence, one can use a lot of 10$ words but if they add up to nothing then they are a waste of air. Show me where this so called new system actually works to promote a clearer understanding of the universe and our place within it and I will reconsider the appearance that it is a lot of gobbledygook which confuses rather than clarifies, possibly intentionally so, thus the semblance and not the substance of knowledge.
simplicity is the ... ( 2 months ago by originalwizbang)
simplicity is the beautiful truth, shining clearly and starkly over the horizon, casting light which cuts through illusion and ignorance.
The bible is ... ( 2 months ago by originalwizbang)
The bible is metaphor meant to enlighten not educate.
Creation is a ... ( 2 months ago by originalwizbang)
Creation is a continuing process.
When you dare to ... ( 2 months ago by EGMAG)
When you dare to acknowledge spirituality you invoke the concept of God.
What Ken says is ... ( 2 months ago by greenalphabet)
What Ken says is really clear (to me). This is one of my favorite videos from Integral. It is about the "experience" not the mental apparatus of thought, but as it is expressed as thought it naturaly and predictably creates confusion.
Saturday Night ... ( 1 month ago by rubadubn314)
Saturday Night Lovin'
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wow yes thank you ... ( 1 month ago by imqtkd)
wow yes thank you for this! how many people say ___ is fake/not true - why because your government, religion, parents, or school told you so - question your ideas/thoughts where do they come from. someone says that stars are real because they saw them and you haven't seen the stars for yourself so you say "your a liar, thats a scam, thats not real" when in fact this person never did the research or work of thinking and researching for themselves what is true and what is not



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