Socialist John McCain by the Southern Avenger



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When presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain expressed his belief that it was the government's role to take care of Americans, SA decided to outline not only the dismal failure of social welfare - but how McCain differs little from Barack Obama on a crucial issue to conservatives.


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The SA is wrong on ... ( 2 months ago by maxime32)
The SA is wrong on this. Conservatism is about maintaining social order and authority, not about having no authority and letting the social order dissipate. Reagan was a free trader. To attack social safety nets (and America does not have THAT much of one) while destroying jobs is not conservative, it is paleoliberal. If the State ensured that everyone had gainful employment, then welfare wouldn't be necessary. But big business would pay more in wages than in taxes, thus it is opposed.
Typical candidates. ... ( 2 months ago by shitsucks08)
Typical candidates. They're just puppets, they can change any of their policies regardless of what party they belong to, just to get the popular vote.
"Conservatism is ... ( 2 months ago by Rahab111222)
"Conservatism is about maintaining social order and authority,"
No it's not. That's neo-conservatism AKA: Faux conservatism.
No, classical ... ( 2 months ago by maxime32)
No, classical liberalism is about freedom from the State and authority. And no, liberalism cannot be or become conservatism. If you are more concerned with abstract notions of freedom and capitalism than with maintaining social order then you are not really so concerned with conserving our culture. Neocons are different because they idealise an abstract democracy and use it as an excuse for violent empire.
And from a look at ... ( 2 months ago by maxime32)
And from a look at your profile with its hatred of aristocracy and religion, citing various classical liberal and even radical (like Paine) figures, you are definitely no conservative!
Obama will not end ... ( 2 months ago by KIDiotequeA)
Obama will not end the War on Drugs, nor the War on "Terror". He will not overturn NAFTA nor the WTO. He is presently threatening Iran. He has never once in a debate recognized the Federal Reserve, or the detrimental effect our monetary policy (coupled with our foreign policy, and trade agreements) is having on our economy. He voted for the Patriot act, and also for the FISA bill that grants retroactive immunity for the telecom companies that spied on the citizenry.
As a memeber of the ... ( 2 months ago by KIDiotequeA)
As a memeber of the CFR, and especially with Zbigniew Brzezinski as his main foreign policy advisor, he will offer very little, if any change in terms of foreign policy. I will not vote for Obama because I have done the research... I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries.
hoooha...I meant to ... ( 2 months ago by KIDiotequeA)
hoooha...I meant to comment on the SA's latest post, about not voting for Obama. I would never vote for McCain either...
Romney is a ... ( 1 month ago by Thrashfan21)
Romney is a conservative I thought you would have seen the light by now Southern Avenger.Romney was the only candidate in the race for the GOP nomination who represented the 3 legs of the Republican "Stool", which by the way helped to get Ronald Reagan elected. Was his healthcare plan perfect? No but it relied on personal repsonsibility and involved no tax raises or government takeover.
And the state ... ( 1 month ago by overmind25)
And the state doesn't have enough money for the plan. What a surprise.
So you are what you ... ( 1 month ago by overmind25)
So you are what you consider a true conservative?
They did have ... ( 1 month ago by Thrashfan21)
They did have enough money but you can blame Deval Patrick and the Democratic legislature for squandering it.
I really don't like ... ( 1 month ago by overmind25)
I really don't like arguing over who fits under what label because they can mean so little now. I like dealing with each issue alone. Romney is wrong on the war, wrong on big government, and is sometimes right on abortion.
Aristocracy is just ... ( 1 month ago by overmind25)
Aristocracy is just a later creation of family power that has no merit and religions are just fairy tales. Your type of conservatism is an ancient pipe dream. But don't worry. Conservatives always worship dead liberals. Even that terrorist Reagan loved Paine.
What do issues mean ... ( 1 month ago by maxime32)
What do issues mean without ideological context? If you take a stand on the war based on 'reason', on what principles do you base your 'reason'?
There are different ... ( 1 month ago by maxime32)
There are different types of aristocracy, the only point is that true conservatism is not egalitarian in either the liberal (legal equality) or socialist (material equality) senses. Reagan loved Paine because both are basically liberal, droning on about abstract 'freedom' from the State.
Pat Buchanan, ... ( 1 month ago by maxime32)
Pat Buchanan, Charles De Gaulle, to a lesser extent, Vladimir Putin, certainly Hamilton and John Adams, Huckabee is slightly conservative...old-school Southern Democrats are a little conservative but obviously there are few of them now...Otto von Bismarck...the European Christian Democrats and 'One Nation' Tories before the sexual revolution and globalisation corrupted them...does that paint a clear enough picture?
Well I applaud ... ( 1 month ago by Thrashfan21)
Well I applaud Romney for trying to get something done on healthcare. If Republicans want to remain relevant in politics they have to be the party of ideas.Health care reform,tax reform and social security reform are just 3 off the top of my head. Republicans need to offer conservative solutions to each of these. I think what McCain meant was that government should be a safety net for those less fortunate.
No I was just ... ( 1 month ago by overmind25)
No I was just messing with you and being an ass. I don't like Romney or McCain though.
I wouldn't consider ... ( 1 month ago by thinkrevolution)
I wouldn't consider Huckabee to be "slightly conservative". He raised taxes more than Bill Clinton did as governor of Arkansas. He pushed for financial aid (tax dollars) for illegals to attend college. He supports the big-government foreign policy of the neo-cons. And the list goes on.
Yes, raising taxes ... ( 1 month ago by maxime32)
Yes, raising taxes to balance the budget and building some state bureaucracy is not anti-conservative, unless you think all European monarchs pre-French Revolution were raving leftists. Huck is mainly conservative because he combines social conservatism with an emphasis on maintaining the standard of living of regular people (neither 'free trade' nor 'equality'). Yes, he is bad on foreign policy but also not a zealot. He defended the war because we're there, didn't say he would have done it
Notice I said ' ... ( 1 month ago by maxime32)
Notice I said 'slightly conservative' not very right-wing. Duncan Hunter is more conservative. Ron Paul is NOT, he is a very ideological classical liberal, he puts freedom from the state above stability, order, security, etc. But all the same if I had had a vote in a GOP primary, I would have voted for Paul as he was clearly the most honest, the war is the most important issue, and even Austrian economics might be better than corrupt privatisation of expanding govt services.
Modern day ... ( 2 weeks ago by elperropatron)
Modern day republicans favor the worst kind of socialism. Corporate Socialism. When Wall Street wins, they keep it all. When Wall Street loses, the losses are shared by all. Furthermore, they take public money and redistribute it to a handful of corporations by funneling it through World Bank loans and grants to 3rd world nations with the stipulation that the funds be spent on projects and products provided by favored companies like Bechtel, Halliburton, etc.
I agree with you on ... ( 1 day ago by tarzanofcouches)
I agree with you on your hatred of corporatism, and it should be stopped. It's proof that socialism has been and will continue to be unworkable wherever it's implemented. However, it's not just modern Republicans that are supporting it. There are many Democrats that support it and welfare statism as well. There are not many differences between the two parties, modern day liberalism is the supremely dominant philosophy (yes, even within the Republican party, just look at GWB).



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